{"id":26877,"date":"2024-04-04T09:30:00","date_gmt":"2024-04-04T07:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/?p=26877"},"modified":"2024-04-04T18:10:07","modified_gmt":"2024-04-04T16:10:07","slug":"la-lenta-agonia-di-stack-overflow-o-no","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/it\/intelligenza-artificiale\/la-lenta-agonia-di-stack-overflow-o-no\/","title":{"rendered":"La lenta agonia di Stack Overflow, o no?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Tempi duri per l\u2019intelligenza tradizionale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u00ec, lo so che basta guardarsi intorno perch\u00e9 questa affermazione sia incontrovertibile, ma qui il nostro confronto \u00e8 con l\u2019intelligenza artificiale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>\u201cI developer? I developer sono deboli. Il Sangue di Numenor \u00e8 quasi esaurito, il suo orgoglio e la sua dignit\u00e0 dimenticati. \u00c8 grazie ai dev che l&#8217;Anello sopravvive. C&#8217;ero, Gandalf. Ero l\u00ec tremila anni fa. Ero l\u00ec il giorno in cui la forza dei developer venne meno.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Un articolo con una citazione di Tolkien non si nega a nessuno: <strong>Una volta trovato l\u2019anello, o, se volete, l\u2019AI generativa, <\/strong>perch\u00e8 un programmatore dovrebbe rinunciare all\u2019immenso potere che esso porta tornando a scrivere codice magari sforzandosi di capire cosa fa quella funzione o addirittura tornare a leggere quel f**** manuale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"244\" height=\"138\" src=\"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/elrond-lotr.gif\" alt=\"elrond meme stack overflow\" class=\"wp-image-26884\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Come dicevo Io ero l\u00ec tremila anni fa, anche se in termini informatici sembrano molti di pi\u00f9. Programmavo in un periodo in cui le uniche risorse erano i libri, tomi da 500 e pi\u00f9 pagine che nonostante fossi un freelance, mi costringevano ad andare in ufficio per poterli consultare, fare il nomade digitale all\u2019epoca avrebbe voluto dire comprarmi una roulotte con rimorchio&nbsp; :-).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Poi i primi forum, le prime guide, chi usava meglio i motori di ricerca (Google era ancora uno dei tanti) poteva passare davanti al desk della segreteria sentendosi molto pi\u00f9 alto.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Per scrivere questo articolo sono andato a ricontrollare e alcuni nomi storici sono diventati tutt\u2019altro o sono spariti seguendo un p\u00f2 le tecnologie che si sono trasformate o si sono addirittura estinte.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Persone stimate mi dicono che, se si scava bene, si possono ancora trovare suggerimenti su come richiamare le api di windows xp da asp passando per iis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>L\u2019evoluzione naturale ha portato ai portali specializzati che mi davano sensazioni diverse a seconda delle aziende in cui lavoravo e dei progetti che mi affidavano, tutti mi generavano sentimenti contrastanti tranne uno: expert exchange. Expert exchange mi ha fatto sempre sentire povero.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>C\u2019era la soluzione a praticamente qualsiasi cosa, ti faceva leggere le prime righe, che di solito erano piene delle grida di gioia di chi aveva risolto, ma poi, se non eri abbonato, oscurava tutto.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Erano anni in cui chiedere di pagare per una cosa del genere al tuo responsabile era tecnicamente impossibile, poich\u00e9 le carte di credito erano ancora appannaggio di pochi e il massimo delle risorse destinate alla formazione erano i dischi pirata di msdn usciti 12 mesi prima.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-l-ascesa-di-stack-overflow\">L&#8217;ascesa di Stack Overflow<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Per fortuna e un&nbsp; p\u00f2 alla volta per\u00f2 si \u00e8 andato&nbsp;affermando il sito \u201csalvagente\u201d per eccellenza: Stack Overflow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ma definirlo sito \u00e8 un p\u00f2 semplicistico anche perch\u00e8 dietro c\u2019\u00e8 un azienda molto interessante<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ufficialmente \u00e8 stata fondata nel 2008 da Jeff Atwood e Joel Spolsky.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;L&#8217;idea alla base di Stack Overflow \u00e8 nata dalla frustrazione di entrambi i fondatori riguardo alle difficolt\u00e0 incontrate nell&#8217;ottenere risposte a domande tecniche online in modo rapido ed efficace.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prima dell&#8217;avvento di Stack Overflow, i forum online erano spesso disorganizzati, poco moderati e difficili da navigare. Spesso le risposte a domande tecniche erano sparse tra numerosi thread e non sempre affidabili o comunque non\u2019pesate\u2019, il che rendeva l\u2019errore democratico e frustrante.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jeff Atwood e Joel Spolsky hanno concepito Stack Overflow come una piattaforma di domande e risposte basata su principi di gamification e community moderation, cos\u00ec da presentare non solo le risposte suggerite ma avere un sistema di endorsement che si autoalimentava.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Fin dall&#8217;inizio ha attratto una crescente base di utenti poich\u00e9 puntava tutto nella sua interfaccia intuitiva, nella struttura organizzata delle domande e delle risposte, e nell&#8217;efficace sistema di moderazione della community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Col senno di poi, con due founder di questo livello le cose non potevano che andare in quella direzione.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Joel Spolsky in particolare \u00e8 sempre stata una figura di primissimo piano nel mondo del software.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prima di Stack Overflow, ha avuto una carriera che definirei epica nell&#8217;ambito dello sviluppo software. Ha lavorato come programmatore presso Microsoft, dove ha contribuito allo sviluppo di prodotti come Microsoft Excel e Microsoft Visual Basic e in seguito ha fondato la sua azienda di software, Fog Creek Software, che ha prodotto diverse applicazioni di successo, tra cui Trello, un&#8217;app diventato un vero must in contesti che adottano metodologie agili e che personalmente uso anche per fare la spesa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-joel-on-software\">Joel on Software<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Ma oltre alla sua attivit\u00e0 imprenditoriale, Joel Spolsky \u00e8 noto anche come autore di diversi libri e per il suo blog &#8220;Joel on Software&#8221;, dove ha condiviso saggi e riflessioni sull&#8217;ingegneria del software, la gestione dei progetti e altri argomenti correlati.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>E\u2019 proprio in \u201cJoel e il software\u201d ( le traduzioni in Italiano quelle belle), il suo primo libro, in cui esprime una propensione alla delivery che far\u00e0 scuola negli anni a venire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Il suo paragone tra lo scrivere codice e l\u2019addestramento militare rimane ancora adesso uno degli esempi pi\u00f9 fulgidi per descrivere il concetto di efficacia.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com\/cqS0PqQe3RgzXXHo4jak7G8-pOKEaUD77RD0XlTC_deST13ny686IO3kI65sX4aPwYGPZCk1Io6jBz_4KYYMfufbzYsROnDZ_vVOdD3QUHepJiGgO2X5yb35GtQ060ngl9IHheOxxXQwQ0Ihp4KNwl4\" alt=\"joel on software, stack overflow, generative AI\" style=\"aspect-ratio:16\/9;object-fit:cover\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Fino ad oggi Stack Overflow \u00e8 sempre stato lo strumento pi\u00f9 efficace, il principale punto di riferimento per gli sviluppatori di tutto il mondo che cercano risposte alle loro domande tecniche. La piattaforma offre una vasta gamma di argomenti, dai linguaggi di programmazione alle tecnologie web, e ospita milioni di domande e risposte generate dagli utenti stessi. Nel 2021 ha ricevuto investimenti ed \u00e8 cresciuta fino a diventare un asset strategico per cui era possibile fare qualche sacrificio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>L&#8217;acquisizione da parte di Prosus, la multinazionale con sede olandese gi\u00e0 nota per l\u2019acquisizione della cinese Tencent, ha permesso di integrare Stack Overflow nella propria rete di aziende e piattaforme nel settore dell&#8217;istruzione e della tecnologia, consentendo di offrire una gamme di servizi pi\u00f9 completi e diversificati.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Le cifre esatte non sono state rese pubbliche ma la stampa di settore \u00e8 stata concorde nel collocare l\u2019affare intorno ai due miliardi di dollari, a fronte dell&#8217;opportunit\u00e0 di sfruttare la vasta base di utenti e l&#8217;ampia expertise tecnica per sviluppare e migliorare ulteriormente i propri prodotti e servizi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-e-la-fine-di-stack-overflow\">\u00c8 la fine di Stack Overflow?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Oltre ad essere una vasta fonte di conoscenza per programmatori e sviluppatori di software di ogni livello di esperienza con milioni di domande e risposte su una vasta gamma di argomenti, Stack Overflow \u00e8 supportato da una comunit\u00e0 attiva di programmatori che contribuiscono con domande, risposte e commenti. Questo scambio costante di conoscenze favorisce la crescita  degli sviluppatori.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"614\" height=\"358\" src=\"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/image-1.png\" alt=\"stack overflow ai meme\" class=\"wp-image-26879\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/image-1.png 614w, https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/image-1-300x175.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 614px) 100vw, 614px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Ma aldil\u00e0 delle domande e risposte tecniche, offre risorse per lo sviluppo professionale, come consigli su carriera, best practice di programmazione e orientamento su nuove tecnologie e, non ultimo,&nbsp;molte aziende lo utilizzano per reclutare talenti nel settore tecnologico dato che grazie alla visualizzazione di domande, risposte e contributi di utenti, i datori di lavoro possono valutare le competenze e l&#8217;esperienza dei potenziali candidati.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Alla luce di tutte queste attivit\u00e0 e della base di utenti poteva essere un affare molto conveniente.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Senonch\u00e8, tornando ai nostri giorni, con <a href=\"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/it\/intelligenza-artificiale\/devin-il-nuovo-strumento-di-programmazione-ai-end-to-end\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"GPT come Devin (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">GPT come Devin<\/a> che permettono di fare anche le pipeline per il devops, ha ancora senso rivolgersi a Stack Overflow? Dobbiamo cambiare tutti i costrutti try catch che andavano direttamente a cercare l\u2019errore sul nostro sito ? <a aria-label=\"L\u2019incredibile crollo dei visitatori unici ne traccia una inesorabile parabola? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/observablehq.com\/@ayhanfuat\/the-fall-of-stack-overflow\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">L\u2019incredibile crollo dei visitatori unici ne traccia una inesorabile parabola?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"658\" src=\"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/untitled-1-1024x658.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-26892\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/untitled-1-1024x658.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/untitled-1-300x193.png 300w, https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/untitled-1-768x494.png 768w, https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/untitled-1.png 1344w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Page views Stack Overflow. Fonte: https:\/\/observablehq.com\/@ayhanfuat\/the-fall-of-stack-overflow<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>A mio parere no!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>E\u2019 innegabile che le AI generative al momento siano viste come lo strumento che risolve i problemi del mondo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Difficile batterli proponendo paradigmi ormai obsoleti come un motore di ricerca tradizionale, a meno che non basiate il vostro business sul fatto che un token su una Ai brucia l\u2019equivalente di una quercia secolare<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Come dice il proverbio, se non puoi batterli unisciti a loro: i nostri amici non sono certo rimasti a guardare creando la loro OverflowAI, un ai generativa fatta apposta per aiutare i dev a risolvere i loro problemi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Qui un video introduttivo<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Introducing OverflowAI: Stack Overflow&#039;s AI capabilities help developers solve problems\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube-nocookie.com\/embed\/DM9-cYyeaDg?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Fin qui si tratterebbe di scegliere per simpatie o comodit\u00e0 tenendo conto che ChatGPT (e tutti i suoi fratellini) non pu\u00f2 usare i dati su Stack Overflow, se non a pagamento, e spesso la metodologia di training non tiene conto dei voti dati alle risposte,&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Quindi \u00e8 probabile che <strong>OverflowAI sar\u00e0 la nostra scelta preferita per lo scrivere codice<\/strong> particolarmente complesso dove le risposte di ChatGPT saranno incomplete o farraginose, o potremo usarla in bundle con altre AI che abbiano altri punti di forza, bilanciandone i risultati.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sta di fatto che sia l&#8217;ecosistema delle API, sia la partnership con google e infine la possibilit\u00e0 di avere accesso a base dati esclusive, <a href=\"https:\/\/stackoverflow.blog\/2023\/07\/27\/announcing-overflowai\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"mette OverflowAI tra gli strumenti pi\u00f9 interessanti (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">mette OverflowAI tra gli strumenti pi\u00f9 interessanti<\/a> per il mondo dei Dev.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>E questo fino alla prossima AI generativa che permetter\u00e0 di leggere le specifiche direttamente dalla mente del cliente facendogli un test di Rorschach\u2026<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tempi duri per l\u2019intelligenza tradizionale. 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