{"id":970,"date":"2019-09-12T08:00:41","date_gmt":"2019-09-12T06:00:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cmagazine.test\/interview-with-don-goodman-wilson\/"},"modified":"2023-05-30T16:03:47","modified_gmt":"2023-05-30T14:03:47","slug":"interview-with-don-goodman-wilson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.codemotion.com\/magazine\/community-management\/interview-with-don-goodman-wilson\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Don Goodman-Wilson"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Don Goodman-Wilson<\/strong> is developer advocate for the Europe, Middle East and Africa regions at <strong><span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-d03daf56-5452-49da-ae2f-4f159fb7f818\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-creative work\">GitHub<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>But what is the <strong>difference between being an advocate and an evangelist<\/strong>?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cEvangelism for me is very much a one-way communication. It\u2019s me shouting from the rooftops\u2026 advocacy incorporates that, but it creates a second channel of communication that flows the other way. So a developer advocate, to me, is somebody who advocates on behalf of a product to the developer community, not just evangelises, not just shouts from the rooftops, but helps them find the right solution, which we hope in most cases is the product we are advocating for, but it might not be.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>One of Don\u2019s greatest triumphs during his career is surely the creation of the <strong>DevRel Salon in Paris<\/strong>. He\u2019s now hoping to recreate the success of this initiative in Amsterdam, where he is now based.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIn Paris there are a lot of developer-facing businesses, I guess you might call it <strong>B2D<\/strong>, <strong>business-to-developer<\/strong>. But there wasn\u2019t a lot of developer advocacy going on, or developer relations, or even developer marketing. So I began the salon with the twofold purpose of creating a <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-d8d57c43-025e-4772-9fb0-6fe7b7dc6a5e\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">community<\/span> where people who practise developer relations can gather, can meet, can share information and can complain together \u2013 oh, we love to complain! And now we\u2019re here in Amsterdam to replicate this <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-21e68d5d-93d9-4714-a65a-0f8d2a67661f\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">experiment<\/span> and see if we can do the same.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><center><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/bxmUKquMv1s<\/center><\/p>\n<p>Asked whether DevRel should still care about <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-0626d47c-8e2c-4293-8cf8-5b9ba204d9ba\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">open source<\/span> in the era of API economy, <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-89295952-17ea-4798-aa84-2113e1facba4\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">machine learning<\/span> and <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-52352030-2e8e-4259-8f36-341ef216c052\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">artificial intelligence<\/span>, he is adamant that it remains incredibly relevant and is certainly no relic from the past.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cOn the one hand, I work for GitHub \u2013 open-source is very relevant to our <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-c0578f6b-0a60-4515-b567-d1194222cbd3\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">business<\/span>, so yes, of course I\u2019m going to say something like that, but from a personal perspective, having grown up with open-source <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-41610701-6281-405c-abab-a5179ce16e82\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">software<\/span> and being a child of the \u201890s, it\u2019s very hard for me to imagine a world without open-source <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-3f7dd7d8-e791-4bef-865a-6ce4534e7f51\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">software<\/span>. It\u2019s very hard for me to imagine a continued level of innovation happening in the software world without <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-9bd276c1-9124-4126-91cf-da74659e106a\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">open-source<\/span> as a driving factor.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In addition to setting up developer relation salons across Europe, Goodman Wilson is also deeply involved in <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-da2d0eb3-44c6-40f3-a14f-58bbba8d069c\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">communities<\/span> and says <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-5c15959d-6f28-49f2-9a53-81a2689710ff\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">companies<\/span> can learn a lot from them.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThere has to be an alignment between what the <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-7e1d5a98-61c3-4545-8345-34ca7785fad4\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">company<\/span> is doing and what the <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-0e3d3efb-949a-4824-957a-5a24656578be\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">communities<\/span> that they want to reach are interested in. It\u2019s not always obvious what their interests are, just by watching their behaviour for example, you have to talk to them, you have to enter the <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-62e26786-cbb4-4c80-b8eb-f3c2357c879e\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">community<\/span>, you have to participate in the <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-07114fca-0ecd-4fca-9cb3-64de0ba031ff\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">community<\/span>, you have to become a part of the <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-c6beecc5-aff9-45f2-9562-3f2aa97a1794\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">community<\/span>. And when you do that you can better understand the shared values and the shared interests of that <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-cf4f50aa-135d-4ea7-9f89-5fd0d217a085\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">community<\/span> and that makes creating a commercial product tailored to that <span id=\"urn:batch-analysis-8c827f84-3fad-4c88-94a7-b812ce4d5d37\" class=\"textannotation disambiguated wl-no-link wl-other\">community<\/span> much, much easier, because it removes the friction of attempting to understand them from afar and allows you to embed yourself there and understand it directly.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Don Goodman-Wilson is developer advocate for the Europe, Middle East and Africa regions at GitHub. But what is the difference between being an advocate and an evangelist? \u201cEvangelism for me is very much a one-way communication. 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